Obama the next anti-Christ?

Sat, 10/11/2008 - 3:55PM by justanerd1975 21 Comments - 301 Views

I can't resist saying this anymore, for me to do so for a day longer would be sin for me. I need to speak up and risk Obama supporters going apeshhhhh on my behind. I think that there is a possibility that Obama is the anti-Christ. I know! I can imagine what some of you are saying right now but, I already seem like a lunatic to those of you who are saying this so why should you be surprised? Any Christian is a lunatic to you, if they truly uphold God's values and God's word.

Don't read on if you don't want to hear about why I think America needs a warning about Obama:

Barack Obama the New Messiah?
Barack Obama is an eloquent, articulate, and promising politician.

His messages of hope and change are exciting and uplifting.

However, some in the media have stated he has a "Messiah Complex",
and he is often reffered to stirically as "The Messiah."

At the DNC , the Temple of Obama was erected. .... I am not kidding. Many of us saw it. He decked out his stage like a temple...

"Barack Obama was mocked in the American press yesterday for making the most important speech of his life on a set decked out like an ancient temple....
His challenge was to turn his trademark soaring rhetoric into simple ideas to improve the lives of hard-pressed American families. But the Greek pillars of his backdrop prompted ridicule before he stood up to speak early today.......
And rival John McCain's camp was quick to make more fun of him. Republican spokesman Danny Daz called the set...... 'the Temple of Obama' and observed sarcastically: 'It's only appropriate that Barack Obama would descend from the Heavens and spend a little time with us mere mortals.'"

This is not the only thing having many people scratching their heads about Obama's ways, in fact, it is just one small piece in the huge-scale puzzle of Obama representing himself as The Next Messiah.

It seems the Bible has a lot to say about what the anti-Christ will appear as:

1.- He will come as a man of Peace (Obama promises peace in Iraq, defeat for the US, how can he promise this? Does he know that something is going to happen on earth that we don't know about??)

2.- He will come mounted on a white Female horse(Obama mother is white who had 6 African husbands)

3.- He will come to deceive( Obama says he's a Christian but in fact he was born a Muslim, practices the Islamic religion, prays Friday’s facing Mecca)

4.- He will make himself the most powerful man on earth, if elected

5.- He will try to destroy the Jewish People and Israel( Obama has said he loves the Arabs specially the Palestinians, hates Israel and Jews. Admires Hitler, Osama etc)

6.- He will present himself as good and righteous (but in fact, is it possible that he is one of satan's henchmen, or even satan himself? The Bible says that stan presents himself as beautiful and peaceful so that the world will be fooled, He does not present himself as he truly is because then people would be scared of him. Violence is in his heart
but he calls himself the prince of peace in the end times....)

7.- Obama will help Al Qaida in its evil projects.

8.- Barack Hussein Obama is the “King of the South” predicted in the Bible.(Daniel .11, Kenya is south of Jerusalem)

9.- Obama comes to implant muslim Sharia Law upon America.

Is it possible that Obama is the Anti-Christ? Maybe we as Americans should beware.
Watch him and don't let yourself be deceived by Him.

Supporters of Obama: 1.5 billion Muslims, Oprah, Louis Farrakanh, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and all American Muslims

Think this is my attempt to use religion to get a republican elected again? Check the Bible, and then tell me what you have to say. Read my previous posts about Obama and McCain and see that I am feeling forced to choose between the lesser of two evils in this race....do I think that McCain is totally pure at heart? NO. Do I think that he lies , as Obama has also? YES.

Do I think that Obama may be the anti-Christ? I think that sure is possible! Based on all the Bible prophesies about what the anti-Christ will be like, any sane person would start to wonder about our man of peace Obama. Not because the Christians should love violence( the Bible says to be men of peace, as far as it has to do with us and it also says to defend God and our country with force if needed, far from "loving" violence,) but because the anti-Christ specifically is going to present himself as a man of peace. America will be woo'd by him, he will decieve us and his reign will be long on earth but he will be extinguished when the second coming of Christ is upon us.

The U.S. Constitution gives every American the right to choose their own religion.
However, it does not matter if your Democratic, Republician, Independent or other.
This is a "Take Heed" notice!

A Barack Obama Presidency is a Biblical plague visited upon a sinful people????

Points of Interest:
Barry was Obama's name given to him at birth by this parents.
He legally changed his name to Barack.
Buraq was the name of Muhammad's horse!

Read what Wikipedia says about the definition of Buraq.

Supporters of Obama:
1.5 billion Muslims
Oprah
Louis Farrakhan (Nation of Islam Leader, racist, anti-Semite)
Jesse Jackson
Al Sharpton
Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades (Islamic Terror Organization)
Daniel Ortega (Marxist Sandinista Leader, Nicaragua)
Fidel Castro (Hard-line Communist Leader, Cuba)
Socialist Party USA (Marxist Political Party)
The New Black Panther Party (Black Militant Organization)
Hamas Terrorist Organization (Islamic Terrorist Organization).

American Muslims - Muslims for Obama - Read for yourself!
From this site- "RAMADAN MUBARAK - With God's Name ~ Quran 49:13 Oh Mankind! We have created you male and female, and have made you nations and tribes that you may know one another. The best of you, in the sight of God, is the best in conduct. Allah is the best knower, aware. As Salaam Alaikum, (The Peace of God Be Upon You) and welcome to Muslim Americans for Obama'08."

Did Jesus Claim Barack Obama is SATAN?

In Luke 10:18 Jesus I beheld Satan as Lightning fall from Heaven. How does a Jewish Rabbi, which Jesus is credited with being (John 1:38), say in HEBREW, that Satan is like LIGHTNING from heaven?

Barack, also transliterated as Baraq in Hebrew, is LIGHTNING (Strongs Hebrew word 1300). Even in Greek, Barak is LIGHTNING (Strongs Greek word 913) for the name of a person!

The ONLY WAY, a Jewish Rabbi can say in Hebrew that SATAN is LIGHTNING is, SATAN BARACK!

Interestingly, the "Greek" verse of Luke 10:18 does not contain an actual Greek word to translate into "Fall" The Greek word translated as "Fall" appears to be a rare form of a Hebrew word for "transgressions." So, the words of Jesus in this verse probably refer to heavenly transgressions.

In Hebrew poetry from the dominant book that the New Testament draws upon, to validate the "works" of Jesus as "proof" of poetic prophecy, the use of BAMA (Strongs Hebrew word 1116) is used to refer to the "heights" of heaven. That book is Isaiah. Christian scholars would agree, that much of the New Testament refers directly to passages of Isaiah's poetry.

Isaiah is also the source of origin for the Christian concept of "Satan" or "Lucifer" Isaiah 14:12.

In the verses of Isaiah that refer directly to "Lucifer" in King James translations of Isaiah, sure enough, BAMA (Strongs Hebrew word 1116) is used to refer to the "Heights" of Heaven (Isaiah 14:14)!

Satan is the father of lies. We all know that all politicians lie. the only problem is, Barrak insists that He Doesn't Lie.

Things Obama has lied about:

50 Obama claimed he had never prayed in a Mosque; his campaign had to retract that statement
49 Obama dishonestly used third party comments in his ads to pump up his healthcare plan
48 Claims he never discussed politics with Pastor; rebutted by photo of Obama with team of lobbyists led by Wright
47 Obama, an expert at parsing words, claimed he wasn’t familiar with the word “Clintonian”; then changed his story
46 Despite reeking of cigarettes, Obama denied smoking to ABC; now admits smoking on MSNBC
45 Obama said he’d meet unconditionally with Leader of Iran: now claims he “didn’t have Ahmadinejad in mind”
44 Obama claims he is using public financing to avoid special interests: WSJ nails his switcheroo
43 Obama’s rhetoric claims more young black men in jail than college: BoJ Stats disprove
42 Claims he never said he was a proponent of single-payer universal healthcare; Video proves he did
41 Obama claims remarks to industrialists were greeted with silence, shows he can deliver tough message: video of ovation
40 Obamas claim you dont rip opponents & leave on roadside:he did to Alice Palmer
39 Obama denies saying Indiana could be tie-breaker: he did
38 Obama omits that Pastor Wright led divestiture campaign from Israel
37 Obama claims Church not controversial; he lied since 86
36 Lied about intention of taking US out of NAFTA
35 Obamas claim poverty growing up: both distort reality
34 Obama denies meeting Saddam’s Auchi; sworn Fed. witness places Obama at undisclosed party for Auchi at Rezkos
33 Obama lies about not attacking Clinton over her Bosnia lies
32 Obama claims he passed ethics reform; ABC News shows he lied
31 Obama says he’s consistently opposed NAFTA; in October 2007 he supported expansion to Peru
30 Obama claims he’s above dirty political tricks; Clinton proves he lies
29 Obama claims his “bitter” remarks were mangled; then repeats attacks on guns religion and angry people
28 Obama stated he’d stopped wearing flag pin on chest; now denies saying it, but video proves he is lying
27 Obama says he did no favors for Rezko;untrue; he lobbied for him
26 Changes story repeatedly re Rezko’s help in buying mansion
25 Obama claims he never supported a ban on handguns; he has twice
24 Obama claims stays at UCC as Pastor acknowledged comments were inappropriate; Wright never made this statement
23 Campaign is beholden to “only the people” as unlike McCain/Clinton he does not take lobbyist /PAC money; LIES!
22 Claims campaign never called Canada to say Obama not truthful re wanting leave NAFTA; smoking gun memo proves lied
21 Mrs Obama admits she’s never been proud of America; Video disproves Sen. Obama’s later claim she was misquoted
20 Claimed would not run for President
19 Claims famous in Il. for not letting lobbyists even buy him lunch; took from teachers, trial lawyers, hospital admins
18 Claims his parents met at Selma civil rights march; Washington Post noted it occurred 4 yrs after Obama’s birth
17 BO claims courageously opposed war in 2002 during US Senate campaign; He did not announce his senate bid until 2003
16 Claims he passes tough Nuclear Law; NYT uncovers he took Nuclear Industry pay-off and watered down the bill
15 Claimed he didn’t know Rezko was corrupt when did a real estate deal with him; Chicago papers prove he lied
14 Claims does not accept money from Big Oil: Real Clear Politics proves he lied
13 Denies using his Hopefund PAC to influence endorsers; but the Washington Post reviewed the record and disagreed
12 Claims his State Chair is not a drug company lobbyist; Time magazine cries Bullsh*t
11 Lies about how much he received in campaign funds from Rezko; forced to significantly increase the amount twice
10 Claims he did not fill out the 1996 candidate questionaire; Politico proves he lied
9 Took credit for achievement of others in Chicago; resume puffing exposed by LA Times
8 Claims he kept no State Senate records; now he changes his story
7 Denies doubling wife’s salary was due to becoming US Senator; omits within months he earmarked $1 million for hospital
6 Denied meeting Saddam bagman Auchi; now admits he was at his dinner but does not remember talking to him
5 Denies using his church for politics: IRS disagree
4 Claims he was unaware of Pastor Wrights 911 comments: NYT proves he lied
3 Claims his father was a goat-herd; actually he was a man of privilige
2 Claims not an active muslim as child; Indonesian paper proves he lied
1 Claims father linked to Kennedys; Washington Post proves he lied
These are just the lies that have been uncovered....

Obama has an anti-Israel stance that he has also tried to cover up.....

Abunimah's report included a photo of Obama with his wife Michelle seated at a table with virulently anti-Israeli Professor Edward Said and his wife Mariam, in what Abunimah said was a May 1998 Arab community event in Chicago at which Said gave the keynote speech.

In an interview earlier this year for the leftist radio show "Democracy Now!," a daily TV and radio news program hosted by Amy Goodman and Juan Gonzalez, Abunimah said he knew Obama for many years as his state senator "when he used to attend events in the Palestinian community in Chicago all the time."

"I remember personally introducing him onstage in 1999, when we had a major community fundraiser for the community center in Deheisha refugee camp in the occupied West Bank," he recounted. "And that's just one example of how Barack Obama used to be very comfortable speaking up for and being associated with Palestinian rights and opposing the Israeli occupation."

About face 'to get elected'
Abunimah's report included a photo of Obama with his wife Michelle seated at a table with virulently anti-Israeli Professor Edward Said and his wife Mariam.

The Arab-American activist went on to say: "In 2000, when Obama unsuccessfully ran for Congress I heard him speak at a campaign fundraiser hosted by a University of Chicago professor. On that occasion and others Obama was forthright in his criticism of US policy and his call for an even-handed approach to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict."

"Obama's about-face is not surprising," Abunimah wrote. "He is merely doing what he thinks is necessary to get elected and he will continue doing it as long as it keeps him in power."

When Obama first ran for the Senate in 2004, the Chicago Jewish News interviewed him on his stance regarding Israel's security fence. He accused the Bush administration of neglecting the "Israeli-Palestinian" situation and criticized the security fence built by Israel to prevent terror attacks: "The creation of a wall dividing the two nations is yet another example of the neglect of this Administration in brokering peace," Obama was quoted as saying.

He wants to appear benign, not scary at all, a man of peace....

Explain?

The Anti Christ is a Uniter. He is a man of many allegiances. He is the black sheep. He is deeply inspiring and popular. He floats on the desperation of the masses. He is the great deceiver. He demands difference. He seeks power, and will sell his soul to get there.

All of these statements apply to Him at the time of writing.

Uniter: Obama has white, black, male and female support - support in every demographic in South Carolina and many places across the United States.
transcending divisons

Allegiances: Obama is a member of the Trinity United Church of Christ, an African-American fundamentalist Christian only club. He was also a Muslim, still practicing we do not know for certain. Obama was raised in America and the Far East by a white mother and black father. obama, unmasked

Popularity: Coming out of relatively isolated state politics, inexperienced Obama sweeps the nation with the status and crowd grabbing power of a superstar. Where did it come from? The Anti Christ is the void that all pile their hopes and dreams into.
obama fever

Deception: "On Iraq my position is no different than George Bush's". Bill Clinton has done a fair share to expose Obama's lies. The anti-war and change ticket has been thoroughly compromised, yet no uproar from Obama supporters. No mass dessertion. All continues on like magic. Nothing can stop prophecy.
obama's lies

Power: To put it lightly, Obama has long obsessed about power, and the Presidency, even from his studious years in the far east.

The actual prophecy critera: read it again, let the Bible's warnings wash over you:

1.- He will come as a man of Peace (Obama promises peace in Iraq, defeat for the US)
2.- He will come mounted on a white Female horse(Obama mother is white who had 6 African husbands)
3.- He will come to deceive( Obama says he's a Christian but in fact he was born a Muslim, practices the Islamic religion, prays Friday’s facing Mecca)
4.- He will make himself the most powerful man on earth, if elected
5.- He will try to destroy the Jewish People and Israel( Obama has said he loves the Arabs specially the Palestinians, hates Israel and Jews. Admires Hitler, Osama etc)
6.- He will present himself as good and righteous but in fact he's Satan himself. Violence is in his heart
7.- Obama will help Al Qaida in its evil projects.
8.- Barack Hussein Obama is the “King of the South” predicted in the Bible.(Daniel .11, Kenya is south of Jerusalem)
9.- Obama comes to implant muslim Sharia Law upon America.

Barack Obama says he wants to bring Change. I believe him. Og he wants change alright. And much of America seems to be ready to go down the road that he wants to bring about.

Remember, you will know the truth in your soul. ...............

Trust your Instincts!

"People can think what they want about me, I could really give a hoot. People think that the AC is coming out of the mid-east. My personal belief is that the AC is going to rise right out of the UN, and with this guys popularity, charisma, and how he is climbing the ranks in government real fast!!!, He may be in the UN next." ~ Barrak Obama said this ,

many Americans are also feeling their antannae raise up about Barrak:

"When I first heard of Barak, a few days ago, the first thing I heard is that he is a guy who came out of nowhere and now many flock to his side. When my wife and I heard this, we both thought the same thing, the anti-christ. Now I am not claiming him to be, just something that triggered that thought in both of us."

"My sister and I both feel something “spooky” about this guy, but can’t quite figure out what it is. It is odd that strangers come up to him on the street. Why would they do that, unless they were drawn to him."

"I don’t think we should directly label Obama as AC, but it is very interresting. While I was watching him, the VERY FIRST thought that came to my mind was asking the Lord if I was looking at the AC. I don’t have a big opinion either way, but man, that was pretty scary."

Elect him president and he will try to destroy the Jewish People and Israel( Obama has said he loves the Arabs specially the Palestinians, hates Israel and Jews. Admires Hitler, Osama etc)

You can regale me with quotes from the Obama. I'm sure there are plenty of times he has said that it's foolishness to ponder him as the possible anti-Christ. But I don't believe everything he says, as we have all seen that 90% truth and 10% lies can destroy a people and a nation just as well as a complete fool who doesn't lie about being one.


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Sat, 10/11/2008 - 7:18pm

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Somehow I am sad not to be American, but also somehow happy that I am fm Switzerland, anyway: sorry to be straight: DEMOCRACY AS SUCH - DOES NOT EXIST ANYWAY!
All countries need a nice and representable marionette - that is all... In Switzerland we do have 7 sometimes 8 - like Snow White and the seven dwarfs, yet - WE never voted for them... It is our Staende- and Nationalrat. You know JaN, it is not easy, we are ruled by money not by people...
The only ones who can make a difference is US in SMALLEST SCALE - YOU and ME - ALL our friends! WE can make the difference, the big players; like countries, poli(tics and fleas) will do it according to Economy, Money, Power. That is it!
We are only the audience and have be kept quietly! Remember the Romans? Bread and games...
Sorry to be so blunt, yet that is how it is!
If we help each other with EXTRA money and EXTRA help, we have done sth for the greater GOOD - FOR GOD! That is how I leave it: TO GOD, he is the only one WHOM I LEAVE THE JUDGMENT TO!

Sun, 10/12/2008 - 2:32am

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BTW: I still vote in Switzerland... But it comes the way it has to come- or: it will come the way GOD has forseen it. Either to teach people a lesson or to make them advance personally! Some people unfortunately only learn the HARD WAY...
I.e. with pain, or money loss or heavy accidents or or or...
I am like that, too...

Sun, 10/12/2008 - 2:34am

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Lveenia, I see your point. Thank you for sharing.

I hear Switzerland is beautiful, though...I still hope to visit one day Eye-wink

hithatsmybike, I knew you would disagree with me before you said it Smiling

Sun, 10/12/2008 - 5:28am

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Some of you guys are really afraid of this guy, aren't you? I find this hilarious! The anti-christ?? Let me guess, is Joe Biden actually The Tooth Fairy? Or better yet - The Great Pumpkin?
I won't even bother to dispute this garbage. But if you are pointing fingers about lies, you should know there are entire sites about the lies of John McCain:
http://www.mccainpedia.org/index.php/Count_the_Lies
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1842030,00.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH0xzsogzAk

Sun, 10/12/2008 - 8:43am

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Not afraid...I don't think he would make THAT bad of a President.... unless of course he is the anti-Christ! LOL Smiling :)

I will gladly look at your McCain links, as I said in this post and others I am well aware that all politicians lie, including McCain and Obama Eye-wink

Sun, 10/12/2008 - 9:57am

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Well justanerd, I'm happy that you're open to looking at some of the links. And yes, I agree with you that all politicians stretch the truth at times, but there seems to be a very hostile movement towards Obama right now, and calling him the anti-christ is a bit irresponsible. Yes, I admit, I've called Palin an airhead, but I think calling someone the anti-christ can instill fear in some people who do not know anything (or are unwilling to educate themselves) about him
http://www.barackobama.com/index.php

Sun, 10/12/2008 - 10:12am

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Ah, I see your point but, most people here are pretty good at educating themselves and, I doubt anybody is going to substitute my judgement for their own... if they read the whole post through(I know,it's really long,but I wanted it to be inclusive of what journalists are finding, so I pulled from more than just the Bible)then they will see that all of the info. therein is worthy of thought, and accurate and trustworthy. What the word has to say about what the anti-Christ will be like, and the facts and quotes these journalists have dug up are worthy to consider, in addition to whetever other media they feel like partaking in.
Totally off subject, I can see why you might think Palin is an airhead-she winks a lot, she has a bubbly personality, she soemtimes talks in slang, she says maverick alot...right? I might think she was an airhead too if I didn't read her voting history and be willing to bypass the way she looks and her personality, just as one should be willing to go beyond just Obama's black skin in evaluating him.

I'm not saying here that I think Obama IS the anti-Christ, I'm saying:

The biblical prophecies and warnings of what is to come of an anti-Christ and what he will look/act/sound like and what his ideals and speeches will be to the American public all, every single one, match Obama. That's all I'm saying. And he gives me a chill just knowing that. We should just be on our gaurds. That's all I am saying. Keep our hearts diligent and be on the defensive even, with him(and with all politicians, but really, esp. with him because he meets all the signs of the A.C.... even if he isn't, and I don't dare say and he prob. isn't because what if he is?, then his just matching up so closely IS DAM SCARY. So, I don't really think it;s irresponsible to say that he might be the A.C.... I said he MIGHT be, keep in mind Eye-wink 'Nuff said....

Did you read the whole thing? I know it's long...
I watched your videos, will you read through the post? I am telling you, you'll be surprised to hear what has been linked to him, and tried to be kept covered.
Not trying to change your vote for him, just sharing info. woman to woman Eye-wink

Sun, 10/12/2008 - 2:34pm

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Yes, I did read this entire post. The difference is that I don't take political advice from the bible. The bible is very subjective IMO, and is left open to interpretation which can be taken many different ways. I guess we should probably just agree to disagree Smiling

Sun, 10/12/2008 - 3:18pm

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I didn't read everything (I'm bad, I know, but I don't care enough sorry), but I think it's a bit of a stretch. And the comments about the Islamic faith are brimming with a religious ignorance I can't stomach. Do you even know a single muslim person? You're being extraordinarily prejudiced here, it's actually painful to watch. You can't just blanket stereotype an entire faith because a small group pissed you off.

Even if Obama WAS muslim, it wouldn't mean he would be bad for america. I know, that's probably hard for you to swallow, but it's true. You need to explore Islamic faith from other sources than just those that are opposed to it. Why not google how much of the Qu'ran resembles the Old Testament? Why not go Wikipedia how Jesus is recognized as a prophet in Islamic faith?

Numerous muslim men and women -- probably more than I'm even aware of because religion is a non-issue here -- hold leadership positions here and omg look, Canada's not practicing Sharia Law. You'd probably pass out if you saw how many of my classmates cover their hair or practice Ramadan.. actually a good portion of our non-muslim campus population participated in it this year because they got together with the islamic student's association and made the event a fundraiser for the local foodbank.

There's peace to be had if you work with people rather than against them. You have to allow people to find and worship God in their own way, they're entitled to that.

Sun, 10/12/2008 - 9:02pm

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Dear ALL,
I am still married to Muslim and I know both sides... Even the Indian (India) side, their prejudice etc. I respect ALL PEOPLE...
The media is only showing the fanatics. NOT THE TRUE MILD MANNERED MUSLIMS.

I was in one of the worst countries. In Libya I learnt to know VERY few good human beings out of many who cheat, lie and worse...

Yet I blame their leader; a leader is always a leader, whether good or bad...

So LADIES, there are good humans in EVERY NATION, EVERY COLOR and EVERY RELIGION, as well as there are BAD humans, in all those, too.
I have Muslim friends all over the world, and I do not even think of having them insulted! My best friend is Muslim in US, my other best friend is JEW in Switzerland, one is Indian Hindu, his caste before used to burry women alive when their husbands died (and many more of those walking on edges of the world)...
So please I do not make ANY difference there: ONLY THE HEART shows the true inside!
If you have the INSIGHT - you will know abt seeing into the heart not to the surface!
THAT IS WHAT GOD TAUGHT US - TEACHES US TILL TODAY - NEVER FORGET THAT, PLEASE!
LOVE AND LIGHT to all of YOU

Sun, 10/12/2008 - 11:02pm

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The Koran may resemble the OT but, it is NOT the word of God, and Jesus came not to nullify the OT but to ADD ON to it and people no longer need to make sacrifices, Jesus is our sacrifice. Iveenia is right that the fanatical Muslims are th one's I am talking about here, though I do disagree at least religiously with all Muslims: they do not recognize Jesus Christ as the son of God and the redeemer of all mankind. That's right hi, they say he was just a prophet. He was not just a prophet, that is a lie! The heart will come out in a person says or does, if he/she is a believer that will eventually come out...and they won't be able to identify themselves as a Muslim anymore. Anywho, hithatsmybike your jumping to conclusions when in fact what I said is that I disagree with the Muslims and what Obama is alignng himself with in aligning himself with them. I do live at peace with all people as much as I can but, living at peace with them does not mean I assimilate to their beliefs about God and reject the Bible's teachings. You miss the main point of all of this post: Muslims,according to the Bible, are wrong. I am a Christian. I believe what the word of God says and live by it. Therefore, any teaching that rejects the word of God, I reject. Obama has aligned himself with the Muslims, so I reject his plan for America. Obama lies and says he is a Christian, is that not more offensive to you than my saying that I am not a Muslim and reject their religion because they reject Christ? I wonder how he warps his "Christianity" around his goals of agreeing with Muslims? so that he can appeal to the Muslims despite the fact that Christians actually oppose their entire belief system... that is offensive to me, hi. Anyways you will not agree with anything I post hi, so you may want to stay away from my postings in the future and same with you bluesuze, because I do believe that the Bible is the innerant word of God and I do live my life by it, it is not subjective to me in the least Eye-wink

Mon, 10/13/2008 - 5:50am

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Let's not comment unless we read the whole thing, or at least do a thorough sim-through Eye-wink

Islam is taking over in Egypt, despite their constitution... how can we be sure Islam won't be worked into the fabric of the US Constitution if Obama is elected?

An article of interest:

More evidence that sharia law governs Egypt. A Christian man converts to Islam, and, even though Egypt's "Constitution" asserts that children under age 15 must remain with their mothers in case of separation, their two (apparently practicing) Christian boys must now reside with their Muslim father. Why? Because sharia law says so.

"Egypt: court gives Christian boys to Muslim father," from Compass Direct News, October 3:

Despite a fatwa from the Grand Mufti, Alexandria judge denies custody for mother.

ISTANBUL, October 2 (Compass Direct News) – Following the Appeal Court of Alexandria on Sept. 24 granting custody of 13-year-old Christian twins to their Muslim father, their mother now lives with the fear that police will take away her children at any moment. Kamilia Gaballah has fought with her ex-husband Medhat Ramses Labib over alimony support and custody of sons Andrew and Mario in 40 different cases since he left her and converted to Islam so that he could remarry in 1999.

The court ruled in favor of Labib in spite of Egyptian law’s Article 20, which grants custody of children to their mothers until the age of 15, and a fatwa (religious ruling) from Egypt’s most respected Islamic scholar, Grand Mufti Ali Gomaa, giving her custody. “This decision was dangerous because it was not taken in accordance with Egyptian law but according to sharia [Islamic] law,” said Naguib Gobraiel, Gaballah’s lawyer and president of the Egyptian Union of Human Rights Organizations. He explained that Egypt’s civic code calls for children under the age of 15 to stay with their mother regardless of their religion. “They want to stay with their mother,” said Gobraiel. “They don’t know anything about Islam and sharia. They are Christians and go to church on Sundays.”

If you don't believe me that Obama’s foreign policy favours accommodation to Islam, check out these stats:

1. He surrounded himself with advisers who believe that US foreign policy is controlled by Jews and this must end....

2. Obama plans to organize a Muslim summit....

3. Obama Defends Columbia’s Ahmadinejad Invite....

4. Obama: "I Would Still Meet With Ahmadinejad".....

5. Obama: "Don’t Stay in Iraq Over Genocide"...

6. Barack Obama Would Let Shoaib Choudhury Die....

7. “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds change in an ugly direction” is what BARACK OBAMA said, (read this in The Audacity Of Hope which is titled in Indonesia “Assualt Hope: From Jakarta To The Whitehouse”?)
It is arguable that “Assault Hope” means “Jihad”.

8. Obama’s Nation of Islam Staffers......

9. Obama Served On Board That Funded Pro-Palestinian Group....

10. Obama - Rezko - Auchi - Saddam Hussein?.....

11. Obama’s Church Gives Platform to Hamas Terrorists, Questions Israel’s Legitimacy....

To understand where he wants to lead the US and with what principles, we must look to his chief foreign policy adviser, Zbigniew Brzezinski.

Prof. Paul Eidelberg, Foundation for Constitutional Democracy, asks in Brzesinsky/Obama Axis

I. Who is Zbigniew Brzezinski?

It was reported in the New York Sun on February 15 that Barack Hussain Obama has chosen Zbigniew Brzezinski to advise him on Middle East policy.
One does not have to read Carter’s Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid to know that Carter is an anti-Semite . Brzezinski has earned the same reputation.

Not only has Brzezinski publicly defended the anti-Semitic canard that the relationship between America and Israel is the result of Jewish pressure, but he also signed a letter demanding dialogue with Hamas, whose charter calls for Israel’s destruction. It behooves us to understand the mentality of Obama’s Middle East adviser—and more deeply than our so-called experts.

[..] Not only did Brzezinski reject the “black-and-white” image of the American and Soviet forms of government, he rejects the very notion of good and bad regimes! If you are shocked by Brzezinski’s moral relativism, ponder Prime Minister Ariel Sharon’s confession in an interview with Ha’aretz in 2002 that his son Omri taught him “not to think in terms of black and white”—a statement uttered while suicide bombers were reducing Jews to body parts.

The influence of political scientists like Brzezinski is wide and deep. His moral relativism or neutrality prompts politicians to negotiate with and appease terrorist regimes. Mr. Obama may not be a moral relativist, but with Brzezinski as his adviser, he will be more disposed than other presidential candidates to appease Iran. Nor is this all.

With Brzezinski advising him, Obama’s chant about CHANGE may be more serious and insidious than Hillary’s silly utterances. He may have in mind changing the fundamental character of the American regime. That would fit well with the designs of one of his backers, billionaire George Soros, a globalist committed to the termination of the nation-state and the ascendancy of world government.

Since Brzezinski is a moral or historical relativism, he denies the existence of objective or trans-historical standards for determining whether the way of life of one nation, group, or individual is morally superior to that of another.

Brzezinski views history through the lens of Marxism, which, despite its atheism, has much in common with Islam. Both Communism and Islam are universalistic ideologies that reject the idea of the nation-state. Both do not regard adherence to treaties between nations as obligatory. Both Communism and Islam are militaristic and expansionist creeds that do not recognize international borders. Brzezinski’s globalism has become evident in Jimmy Carter. Under Brzezinski’s influence, Carter lowered the defense budget and pursued a soft line toward the Soviet Union. We can expect an Obama White House to pursue a very soft line toward Islam.

II. Iran’s Vision: A World Without Israel and the United States

With Zbigniew Brzezinski as his national security adviser, it was Jimmy Carter who facilitated the return of Ayatollah Khomeini to Iran. The Carter-Brzezinski axis is very much responsible for the Islamic revolution—the most dangerous revolution that has occurred in human history, a revolution that threatens the existence of every nation-state.

As a crypto-Marxist, Brzezinski deplores the nation-state . His book Between Two Ages: America’s Role in the Technetronic Era, declares that “With the splitting and eclipse of Christianity man began to worship a new deity: the nation . The nation became a mystical object claiming man’s love and loyalty. The nation-state along with the doctrine of national sovereignty fragmented humanity . It could not provide a rational framework within which the relations between nations could develop.” Brzezinski sees the nation-state as having only partly increased man’s social consciousness and only partially alleviated the human condition.

“That is why Marxism,” he contends, “represents a further vital and creative stage in the maturing and man’s universal vision.” Marxism, he says, “was the most powerful doctrine for generating a universal and secular human consciousness.” Embodied in the Soviet Union, however, Communism became the dogma of a party and, under Stalin, “was wedded to Russian nationalism. ”

Although Brzezinski poses as a humanist, he makes a most inhumane statement by saying that: “although Stalinism may have been a needless tragedy, for both the Russian people and Communism as an ideal, there is the intellectually tantalizing possibility that for the world at large it was … a blessing in disguise. ” Ponder this shocking statement about Islam or of Islamic imperialism . Yes, it slaughtered more than 200 million people, but Islam brought hundreds of Christian, Jewish, Zoroastrian, Hindu, and Buddhist communities under a single universal vision, that of the Quran.

Brzezinski, a self-professed secularist, is an internationalist whose moral relativism contradicts the moral law or natural rights doctrine of America’s Declaration of Independence. His relativism and internationalism contradict the teachings of the America’s Founding Fathers, who endowed the United States with a national identity and character, the same that animated Abraham Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt. To put it more bluntly: Brzezinski’s mode of thought or political mentality — like that of countless other American academics — is anti-American. An Obama-Brzezinski axis has revolutionary significance. It might accelerate the de-Americanization and decline of the United States.

This development has its parallel in the de-Judaizing of Israel’s Third Commonwealth. Israel’s ruling elites, beginning with President Shimon Peres, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, Foreign Minister Tzipi Livini, Education Minister Yuli Tamir—and let’s not forget Israel’s erstwhile and still influential Supreme Court president Aaron Barak—have the same basic mentality as Brzezinski. The mere fact that they are multiculturalists committed to transforming Israel into “a state of its citizens” means that they are only nominal Jews, that just as Brzezinski is, in principle, anti-American, so they are, in principle, anti-Israel or anti-Jewish!

But let us not be misled by the term “multiculturalism.” Multiculturalism means nothing less then the end of the nation-state system that has prevailed for almost four centuries. The nation-state obtained a monopoly of political power. Power abhors a vacuum. Terminate the nation-state and you are heading for world government. But a world government must also have a monopoly of power. Its agents must be everywhere, to make sure that no opposition group in any country secretly develops weapons of mass destruction. A world government must have the equivalent of the KGB in every country. A world government would be the greatest tyranny in human history.

Israel is the target of all those who oppose the nation-state if only because the Bible of Israel not only prescribes a multiplicity of nations, but a moral code that contradicts the moral relativism of the Brzezinskis and of Israel’s ruling elites.

Will Israel be the target of CHANGE — the mantra of the Democratic Party chanted most ominously by Barack Hussain Obama?

It is important to note that when Carter had Brzezinski as his foreign policy adviser, he undermined the Shah paved the way for the Islamic Revolution in Iran, al Qaeda was created to fight the Soviets and Islamist terrorists were supported to destroy Yugoslavia which was a Russian ally. These plans involved Britain, Saudia Arabia and Germany.

Sultan Knish offers us a taste of things to come in his article Zbignew Brezezinksi, Barack Obama and America as the Headless Chicken,

Zbigniew Brzezinski’s plan was to counter the rise of pro-Soviet left wing regimes with a string of Islamic regimes, countering Marxism with Islamism finally culminating in an Islamic overthrow of the USSR (replacing one monstrous regime with another monstrous regime). His dabbling in Afghanistan would eventually give birth to Taliban rule and Osama Bin Laden and September 11th, something he blames Israel and Neo-Cons for. In Iran, Zbigniew Brzezinski backed a policy that would support the Ayatollah Khomeni as America’s new ally.
To show its affinity for the Mullahs, the Carter Administration had lifted a 1978 ban on arms sales to Tehran. The exiled Shah was barred from entering the United States to seek medical treatment. The United States even promised to defend Iran against the Soviet Union. Zbigniew Brzezinski met with the Ayatollah Khomeni’s Prime Minister Mehdi Bazargan and offered the new regime a strategic relationship with the United States. It took five months before a rescue attempt was made and when Zbigniew Brzezinski planned out the disastrous Operation Eagle Claw it was sabotaged from the start by the chains placed on the operation from the Carter White House.

This is an indication of the change Obama wants.

This is the unity he hopes to achieve.

12. Obama absented himself from the Senate when Senate names Iran’s army “terrorist organization“ but later said he was opposed.

13. Obama’s Iraq War

14. “Bomb Pakistan”

Apparently he wants to get out of the war in Iraq and increase the war in Afghanistan. Maybe I missed the point. He wants to kill al Qaeda in Pakistan but leave them to take over in Iraq? Maybe I still don’t get it. Maybe he wants to bomb with much “collateral damage” rather than invade and occupy. He did say last summer, something to the effect that the United States cannot use its military to solve humanitarian problems and that preventing a potential genocide in Iraq isn’t a good enough reason to keep U.S. forces there.

Mon, 10/13/2008 - 6:11am

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ok, I don't do the copy-and-paste thing, so so long as that's what you're making your posts out of, I won't be reading it. I only read comments by people in their own words. That's what I'm interested in. If I was seeking other facts, I would research your copy & pasted articles myself, but I'm not interested in your "evidence", I'm only interested in your opinion.

"Obama has aligned himself with the Muslims, so I reject his plan for America."

You're letting your religion make you very closed-minded. It's unhealthy.

You know, I didn't think people like you existed. The extremist bible-thumping, conservative American that rejects both science and reason to cling to a subjective interpretation of the Good Book. You're more a character in a book or a play than a real person. It's weird.

What are you going to do when Obama gets elected?

Mon, 10/13/2008 - 9:32am

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I didn't say that's what I make my posts from, I write my own posts and sometimes, as in this case, I insert into my post some facts,figures or quotes from journalists,books and the like. I only read a few of your blog posts and then stopped reading them, so I won't be offended.

If your interested in my opinion, I told you what it was already.

How does my religion have anything to do with Obama aligning himself with the Muslims? I could be Athiest, Baptist, Catholic, Pagan, Wiccan, even Satanic and say that.
The fact that he is involved with them has nothing to do with what my religion is, or if I am even religious at all.

On another note, I think it's healthier to be saved than not to be. In fact, I know it is...

LOL now you are making me laugh,hi, because that is sooo not me. If you even knew me at all, you would know that. Ha ha I should send your comment to my family though they would get a kick out of that! They don't think I am religious enough Eye-wink
I am a conservative American, but I don't thump my bible,lol- unless you mean use it as the wisdom for my life and in that case then yes I do, and I am pleased that I have it to guide my life Eye-wink

I don't reject science and reason. I reject what the word of God rejects, and if a particulat theory of science or human reasoning rejects God, then I reject it. Why wouldn't I?? I don't "subjectively interperet" the Bible, or Good Book as you call it( at least you call it the Good book, that's a place to start...) I say nothing other than what's in it, unless I am just saying my opinion and then I make sure I do not say that it is from the Bible...

I will take the character part as a compliment, hi- I strive to be less wordly and more like Jesus(as much as is possible for this ruined sinner,)so if I seem less like the usual people you have seen and less like what the world would call"all around normal" then I am happy to hear that Eye-wink Thank you Smiling :) Smiling

If Obama gets elected, I will pray like crazy that he is not the anti-Christ LOL...O wait, I am already praying for that Eye-wink I will live like always, what do you think I will do? I will hope that his plans for America are not as horrible for our country as they seem to be, and a part of me will belive it or not be glad- at least to have a black president, as long as he is NOT the AC Eye-wink

Mon, 10/13/2008 - 1:25pm

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I don't know, I thought you might say you would move lol

Your religion is what makes you care if Obama is muslim, or any non-christian faith for that matter. I have no idea what religion Harper abides by (though if I had to guess I would say christian of some sort), and I like it that way. He doesn't talk about it, and he shouldn't, because it's a non-issue.

I don't think Obama's religious affiliation should weigh in on your opinion of him as a leader. I don't think it would if you weren't christian as you are. You said you could be atheist or whatever else and still say that. Yeah, you could -- but your probably wouldn't.

I'm still reeling from the not-believing-in-evolution thing. That's rejection of both science & reason.

I also fail to see why having a black president would make you "glad".
Again America is so hung up on the race thing. It doesn't matter. Like religion, it's a non-issue. The color of his skin has no bearing on his ability to lead a country.

I'm amused that you don't describe yourself as overly religious or a bible-thumping american -- I don't know how else to categorize your behavior! Sorry if my judgments are misplaced, it's just what you strike me as through your most recent posts & comments.

Mon, 10/13/2008 - 7:36pm

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[Some of you guys are really afraid of this guy, aren't you? I find this hilarious! ]

I find it ridiculous! I'm glad all the negative campaigning that McCain's been doing has dropped his position even further in the polls. People are more focused on this sh*tty economy that this crap. Conservatives just don't learn.

Tue, 10/14/2008 - 2:13pm

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"Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific assurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

I don't see the problem with that.

Tue, 10/14/2008 - 2:57pm

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Hi Colorme,

The actual quote from the book is from page 261 and is as follows: "Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific reassurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction." OK, good, now:

Just who will he stand by?
Do you know who he's referring to?

In answering that question, we can’t forget this quote from Obama’s book Audacity of Hope:
“I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

Whatever did he mean by that?????

I guess it makes sense for him to say this, since Obama is not legally African-American as he claims, but Arab-American and Islam still considers him to be a Muslim....

Surely Americans are entitled to take this into account when they are voting for the next President of America!! AMERICA being the key word here, right next to MUSLIM.

And lets NOT forget Debbie Schlussel’s exclusive Obama’s Nation of Islam Staffers, Edward Said & “Inflexible Jews” Causing Mid-East Conflict: An Obama Insider Reveals the Real Barack- but have you ever even seen that?

Was that sentence taken out of context? What was the context? Does it need a context, or does it speak for itself? I report, you decide.

I challenge you to read "The Chicago Delusion" at The Strategic Failure. "Here's a taste:
"For these reasons, Barack Obama is a perfect symbol of Chicago. Arrogant and motivated, he is a natural self-promoter. A man who claims to be a practicing Christian, he bears a Muslim name. A name he legally cahnged from barry tobarrak to sound more Muslim! Identifying himself as an African-American, Obama is the offspring of a man from Kenya and a woman from Kansas. A self-proclaimed son of Chicago, he attended school overseas and spent most of his childhood in Hawaii, the last state, the state that doesn't appear on most maps. Obama, like Chicago, is from everywhere, and he is from nowhere. And he promises great, ambiguous things: change, hope, unity. His critics call him messianic, and there is no doubt that he is peddling his own religion.

The questions we all want to know are basic:
Who is he? Where did he come from? What does he believe in? What does he want?

Tue, 10/14/2008 - 3:56pm

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This is from another site, but he did a way better job than I could so here it is:

MUSLIM OBAMA ‘WILL STAND WITH MUSLIMS SHOULD POLITICAL WINDS SHIFT IN UGLY DIRECTION’

J। Grant Swank, Jr.

This is what Barack Obama said following 9/11:

"In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

Further, Obama sponsors Illinois Senate Bill 750 creating the "Halal Food Act," providing for inspections by the Department of Agriculture to ensure that all food labeled Halal is prepared according to Islamic law per freedom’s enemies web site.

Note: "Governor Ryan today signed Senate Bill 750 creating the ‘Halal Food Act,’ providing for inspections by the Department of Agriculture to ensure that all food labeled Halal is prepared according to Islamic law.

"’Muslims are valued members of our communities and this official recognition by the state reflects Illinois' commitment to supporting the interests of all citizens,’ Governor Ryan said. ‘This law will give Muslims in Illinois confidence that the Halal food products they buy are indeed prepared according to Islamic law’" per AP.

In addition: "On January 31st, Obama told a French magazine in an interview that if he wins office, he will hold a summit with Muslim countries to better the United States' image in the world।

"’Once I'm elected, I want to organize a summit in the Muslim world, with all the heads of state, to have an honest discussion about ways to bridge the gap that grows every day between Muslims and the West’" per freedom’s enemies.

I believe Obama is a Muslim.

Why do I think so?

First, he's lived twenty years with a cultic preacher who has proclaimed hate against America। Yes, hate against America.

Jeremiah Wright has contexted that hatred against whites, but when you get right down to his rants, they are hatred against America, disrespect for America, slamming America for being responsible for 9 / 11 and so forth।

A Muslim hates America, has no regard for its Constitution, its history and is an anarchist at heart। Wright's sermons border on if not endorse outright anarchism as blackism.

Second, Obama is a liberal to the nth degree, the left of the left in Congress। That would fit a Muslim who is for death bottom line: death to unborn babies, death to biblical definition of family and marriage, death to Judeo-Christian backdrop, death to freedom of religious expression, death to biblical morality.

Muslims live to die। They embrace death as the final glory offering to Allah.

Third, Obama is not Christian as he claims। He does not regard the Jesus of the Bible as his Jesus। If Obama did so, he would live by Jesus' ethic which does not include abortion and homosexual open recreation.

Muslims accept Jesus as a prophet only but not the Jesus as deity incarnate of the Bible। Therefore, Obama is right in line with the Muslim definition of Jesus as he proclaims that he met Jesus in an epiphany at his Chicago church.

Fourth, Obama lies। He says he is for women. He is for aborting female womb babies. He says he is for freedom for all. He is not for freedom of the unborn. He says he is Christian. He is a liberal religionist who writes his own holy writ. He says he is a moral individual. He is pro-sodomy.

Muslims are taught that lying is a holy gift to Allah। Then Obama lies. It could be his litany of holy presents to the Muslim deity.

Fifth, Obama promises "change" and "unite।" He does not define what he means by "change." That change could be pro-Muslim which is Islam World Rule.

That "unite" could be uniting Muslim sleeper cells and ignorant Americans around an anti-Republic overthrow।

In an interview with Nicholas Kristof, published in The New York Times, Obama recited the Muslim call to prayer, the Adhan, "with a first-class [Arabic] accent."

The opening lines of the Adhan (Azaan) is the Shahada:
"Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!I witness that there is no god but AllahI witness that there is no god but AllahI witness that Muhammad is his
prophet... "

According to Islamic scholars, reciting the Shahada, the Muslim declaration of faith, makes one a Muslim। This simple yet profound statement expresses a Muslim's complete acceptance of, and total commitment to, the message of Islam.

Obama knows this from his Quranic studies -- and he knows the New York Times will publish this fact and it will be seen throughout the Islamic world per freedom’s enemies web site।

His wife, Michelle, is a liberal lawyer who holds to the same theological and political liberal bases as Barack। They train their children likewise. This could be a Muslim mask family.

Michelle has no regard for unborn children, even endorsing partial-birth abortion as does Barack। She is for sodomy, too.

She has been angry at America until Barack's political success। Her explosion in glee in finally being proud to be an American is evidence that prior she was angry, just as Wright preaches anger, hatred, and revolution.

Wright preaches "black liberation theology" against the "white value system" which is in other words revolution against America।

Yes, Obama could be Muslim। He had a Muslim father but did not know him, had no influence from him. That's what he says. But can we believe Obama?

Obama's mother was a literary elitist who was exceptionally well informed on a variety of life issues। She was a free spirit and hard working mother. She was not a religious person in that she did not hold to any particular faith.

Could it be that Obama logged into Christianity via one of the most liberal denominations in the world — the United Church of Christ — in order to find fodder there? And wedded to Wright though he now says otherwise? And indoctrinated his family in such revolutionary philosophies
over twenty years?

How can a person who loves his nation tolerate such cultic messages over twenty years, joining the church, no less, and calling the speaker his mentor if that individual, Obama, were not finally
anti-American?

I believe he is at heart anti-American। In that, I believe he is Muslim, disciple of Allah in disguise.

I no longer consider such a possibility extremist। It is a logical possibility.

Read freedom’s enemies at http://www.freedomsenemies.com/_more/obama.htm

posted by Grant Swank at 7:14 AM

Tue, 10/14/2008 - 3:58pm

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Now I respect you and like you colormesticky, and all of the rest of you too, so that is all I am going to say about this subject, because I know that many of you feel very strongly about Obama being the change that you WANT for America. I don't want to har on this, and alienate people I consider friends, which is what I consider every woman on this network Eye-wink

Tue, 10/14/2008 - 4:08pm


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