As a child, Obama crossed a cultural divide in Indonesia (news)
posted by AC, 09.08.2008
As a child, Obama crossed a cultural divide in Indonesia
By Paul Watson
March 15, 2007 in print edition A-1
As a boy in Indonesia, Barack Obama crisscrossed the religious divide. At the local primary school, he prayed in thanks to a Catholic saint. In the neighborhood mosque, he bowed to Allah.
Having a personal background in both Christianity and Islam might seem useful for an aspiring U.S. president in an age when Islamic nations and radical groups are key national security and foreign policy issues. But a connection with Islam is untrod territory for presidential politics.
Obama’s four years as a child in Indonesia underscore how dramatically his background differs from that of past presidential hopefuls, most of whom spent little, if any, time in other countries. No one knows how voters will react to a candidate with an early exposure to Islam, a religion that remains foreign to many Americans.
Obama’s campaign aides have emphasized his strong Christian beliefs and downplayed any Islamic connection. The candidate was raised “in a secular household in Indonesia by his stepfather and mother,” his chief spokesman, Robert Gibbs, said in a statement in January after false reports began circulating that Obama had attended a radical madrasa, or Koranic school, as a child.
“To be clear, Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian who attends the United Church of Christ in Chicago,” Gibbs’ Jan. 24 statement said. In a statement to The Times on Wednesday, the campaign offered slightly different wording, saying: “Obama has never been a practicing Muslim.” The statement added that as a child, Obama had spent time in the neighborhood’s Islamic center.
His former Roman Catholic and Muslim teachers, along with two people who were identified by Obama’s grade-school teacher as childhood friends, say Obama was registered by his family as a Muslim at both of the schools he attended.
That registration meant that during the third and fourth grades, Obama learned about Islam for two hours each week in religion class.
The childhood friends say Obama sometimes went to Friday prayers at the local mosque. “We prayed but not really seriously, just following actions done by older people in the mosque. But as kids, we loved to meet our friends and went to the mosque together and played,” said Zulfin Adi, who describes himself as among Obama’s closest childhood friends.
The campaign’s national press secretary, Bill Burton, said Wednesday that the friends were recalling events “that are 40 years old and subject to four decades of other information.” Obama’s younger sister, Maya Soetoro, said in a statement released by the campaign that the family attended the mosque only “for big communal events,” not every Friday.
The sensitivity of Islam as a political issue was on display earlier this year with the false report that Obama had attended a radical madrasa here. The report, which appeared initially on a conservative-oriented online magazine and then on a Fox News program, attributed the news to opposition researchers for Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.). Both campaigns denied the story and accused conservative media outlets of trying to use the rumor to smear two Democratic hopefuls simultaneously. ( 'Faux' news, no surprise there- and this is the kind of false reporting that distracts us from the real issue, that BO was raised a Muslim, a fact he denies...)
Indonesia, the world’s most populous Islamic-majority country, has seen an upsurge of Islamic radicalism in the last few years. But during the 1960s, when Obama lived here, the country was known for a brand of Islam more open to the nonIslamic world than the austere versions preached in much of the Middle East. Even in the Mideast, political Islam was far less influential in the 1960s than it is today.
In his autobiography, “Dreams From My Father,” Obama briefly mentions Koranic study and describes his public school, which accepted students of all religions, as “a Muslim school.”
“In the Muslim school, the teacher wrote to tell my mother that I made faces during Koranic studies,” Obama wrote. “My mother wasn’t overly concerned. ‘Be respectful,’ she’d say. In the Catholic school, when it came time to pray, I would close my eyes, then peek around the room. Nothing happened. No angels descended. Just a parched old nun and 30 brown children, muttering words.” <------ another attempt by BO to discredit the word? Did Godsay that angels would appear? Did God say that if no nagels appeared, then your prayer does not work? This seems to be his sentiment here, and even non-believers and BO supporters can see that he is saying that the Catholic and Christian religion is not very impressive, or very powerful, to him. And then he goes and says that hearing Muslim praying is the most beutiful sound on earth...WTH????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????)
Obama was born in Honolulu. When he was 2, his father, Barack Hussein Obama Sr., a Kenyan, and his Kansas-born mother, Ann Dunham, separated and later divorced. Dunham later married Lolo Soetoro, who was a Muslim. In 1967, the family moved to Jakarta, where Obama lived from ages 6 to 10. People there knew him as Barry Soetoro.
Adi said he often visited the Soetoro family at their home, a small flat-roofed bungalow at 16 Haji Ramli St. Today, he runs an Internet cafe and purified water business from the same small Jakarta house where he grew up near Obama.
Theirs was a middle-class neighborhood, but Haji Ramli Street was a dirt lane where Obama used to wile away the hours kicking a soccer ball. In the long rainy season, it turned to thick, mucky soup; Obama and his friends wore plastic bags over their shoes to walk though it, said Adi, who at 46 is the same age as Obama.
Neighborhood Muslims worshiped in a nearby house, which has since been replaced by a larger mosque. Sometimes, when the muezzin sounded the call to prayer, Lolo and Barry would walk to the makeshift mosque together, Adi said.
“His mother often went to the church, but Barry was Muslim. He went to the mosque,” Adi said. “I remember him wearing a sarong.”
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Islam is the religion of anger and hatred. It is an anti-freedom system, which seeks to ultimately control the entire world via its evil mullahs and ayatollah's. It is an antichrist system that denies Jesus Christ has come in the flesh. The key word there is "Christ".
Below is what President John Quincy Adams wrote regarding treaties with Muslims (John Quincy Adams, "Essays on Turks", pages 274-275), which is something Presidents Carter to the present George Bush have not been able to comprehend:
"The victorious may be appeased by a false and delusive promise of peace and the faithful follower of the prophet may submit to the imperious necessities of defeat, but the command to propagate the Moslem creed by the sword is always obligatory when it can be made effective...The commands of the prophet may be performed alike, by fraud or by force. Of Mahometan good faith, we have as memorable examples ourselves.... Such is the spirit, which governs the hearts of men, to whom treachery and violence are taught as principles of religion."
Only a demon or fallen angel would insist its followers make never ending war on non-believers, as this impersonal "god" Allah does. 1 in every 55 verses in the Qur'an incites Muslims to make war on non-Muslims. The Qur'an, is in fact a satanic blueprint for the art of deception, doubletalk, double-dealing and treachery. The word love is conspicuously missing from the Muslim Qur'an.
The deadliest Islamic lie. Islam denies the crucifixion, death and resurrection of Christ:
Any one that denies the crucifixion of Jesus, very simply destroys the foundation and the raison d’être of Christianity. No crucifixion means no salvation, no salvation means Jesus is a liar, and if Jesus is a liar, then all Christianity is a fraud. Elementary my dear Watson. I’m also saying this for the Christians that swallow the Islamic deception of “We believe like you in Issa (Jesus) but not the crucified one”, and the gullible Christians take this as a sign of love with almost tears in their eyes, not realizing that the Muslim in effect is telling you, “your Christianity is false and garbage, since Jesus was not crucified.” The perfection in deception is when they say, “we believe like you.” RE: http://www.sonsofapesandpigs.org/20...sein-obama-update-allah-akb.html
Koran 4:157, “That they said (in boast), ‘We killed Al-Masih 'Isa the son of Maryam, the Messenger of Allah’; but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not.”
Islam's curse on Christians for believing Jesus is God's son:
Koran 9:30
The Jews call 'Uzayr-a son of God', and the Christinas call 'Christ the Son Of God'. That is a saying from their mouth; (In this) they but intimate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are decluded away from the Truth.
Muslims commanded to kill non-Muslims:
Koran 47:4
When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly. Then grant them their freedom or take ransom from them, until War shall lay down her burdens.
Koran 5:51
Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends. They are friends with one another. Whoever of you seeks their friendship shall become one of their number. Allah does not guide the wrong-doers.
According to Islam's fake Qur'an (Koran), Christians teach perverse doctrines. Christ's Sonship is the prime example (9:30). Christians made a prophet out to be their Lord, ascribing deity to him, committing the supreme blasphemy (3:79,80; 4:48,171; 5:17; 9:31). Any reference to the Trinity is included in this. Christians disobey their own Book, stress falsehoods in their religion, and exaggerate in their teaching (5:66,77; 4:171). Monasticism and saint worship are condemned (57:27; 9:31). According to Islam, before Muhammad came, Christians were lost in error. Islam and the Qur'an are the only remedies (98:1).
The Qur'an warns Muslims about friendship with Christians. As a general rule Muslims are not to take Christians for friends, especially over Muslims (3:118; 4:144; 5:51,57). The only exception given is if you need to have them as your friend to guard your own security (3:28).
As a child, Obama crossed a cultural divide in Indonesia
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